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    The Affordable Care Act, as we all know, isn't so affordable after all, and the repercussions are going to be severe.

    Already the stories are starting to roll in - this one is from a friend of a friend of mine - this is her actual experience. I shared this on my facebook wall, and I'm sharing it here.

    This woman does not live in Colorado - but this is what she's going through - you can do the math. She earns maybe $50,000 a year before taxes, which isn't a whole lot to live on after taxes, and living with diabetes makes it worse:
    "I actually made it through this morning at 8:00 A.M. I have a preexisting condition (Type 1 Diabetes) and my income base was 45K-55K annually I chose tier 2 "Silver Plan" and my monthly premiums came out to $597.00 with $13,988 yearly deductible!!! There is NO POSSIBLE way that I can afford this so I "opt-out" and chose to continue along with no insurance. I received an email tonight at 5:00 P.M. informing me that my fine would be $4,037 and could be attached to my yearly income tax return. Then you make it to the "REPERCUSSIONS PORTION" for "non-payment" of yearly fine. First, your drivers license will be suspended until paid, and if you go 24 consecutive months with "Non-Payment" and you happen to be a home owner, you will have a federal tax lien placed on your home. You can agree to give your bank information so that they can easy "Automatically withdraw" your "penalties" weekly, bi-weekly or monthly! This by no means is "Free" or even "Affordable".

    Sounds like a wake up call to me - only maybe we are oversleeping and waking up to the hangover after the party ...
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    What did the Mocha Liar say?

    Once you try it you'll like it?

    Yeah, right.

    But, up the road, it might be the best thing the Democrats ever did to (or for) the Republicans. Simply because there's no way the Democrats can blame anything that the ACA does on the Republicans. And eventually, public pressure will cause Congress to completely repeal the whole act and either pass law that will benefit the average citizen by allowing interstate coverages and regulate Tort, or cvompletely leave it alone and let the market forces take it where it will.
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    Here's some clarification on one of the supposed exemptions . . Turns out Congress isn't exempt.

    Despite the Internet shorthand, Congress is not “exempted” from ObamaCare. Still, Congress is being treated differently than millions of other Americans who stand to lose under ObamaCare.
    Currently, congressmen and congressional staff participate in the Federal Employee Health Benefit Program, the same as any other federal employee. Since the federal government is technically their employer, the government pays roughly 75% of the cost of their insurance, $5,000-$10,000 per year depending on family size.
    However, under an amendment to ObamaCare, sponsored by Sen. Charles Grassley (R-Iowa) and passed in 2010, Congress will be required to give up their FEHBP insurance and purchase a new plan through a health-insurance exchange. The idea was that Congress should be treated just like those ordinary working Americans who will be dumped from their employer’s plan and forced to shop on the exchanges. And, like many of those workers, Congress would, under normal circumstances, lose the employer contribution toward their insurance. As a result, they could expect to have to pay much more out of pocket for their insurance.
    There's more on this @ http://nypost.com/2013/10/05/with-in...ust-obamacare/
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    Oh theres's some good news! lol!
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    OK, we have seen the enemy, and he is us . . . Or at least "The Republicans" and their fixation with the politics of "Obamacare" . . Time to go to the polls and elect new Republicans. Ones with common sense and a sense of fiscal responsibility beyond the doors of the offices they will be occupying. The John McCains, The Susan Collins, the John Boehners and all the other career politicians who have called settling for nothing, "Compromise" . .

    Primary these old sell outs into pasture. Fire them, do not seek their counsel or allow them to influence future politics or policy. Don't even allow them to become lobbyists if at all possible. In short, they should be shot. (but we can't really do that, can we?)

    Elect new people, probably "Tea Party People" who will have anger and spine enough to go to Washington and repeal the Partriot Act, the ACA (Obamacare) and throw out the tax laws that the IRS currently enforces, thus, negating the need for the IRS. Let them go there, fully pissed off and ready to cut programs and spending, instead of being the goody two shoes that the old guard try to appear to be. Perhaps they might even (or should) be willing to sacrifice their office for the good of the country, if need be. The current bunch surely won't!

    The Democrats or "New Progressives" are steadily pushing this country into Socialism (or worse) and the Republicans, while professing to be against all of it, are obligingly either giving them a leg up or shooting themselves in the collective foot by giving it all away!

    I'm cross posting this in "the Republicans" Thread also . . .
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    Heh, heh . . . Now, since the "Roll Out" of Obamacare, the Republicans are squawking about the inability of the Administration's inability to "make a web site work" . . just before that, they were squawking about "Repealing" or "de-funding" it. Is there no pleasing the Republicans?

    Then, all of a sudden, all the Democrat Base are also squawking about the inability of the Administration's inability to do much of anything associated with Obamacare . . And they're blaming everybody but Obama . . They're hollering for Sec'y Sebiullus' head on a pike, fire all the software engineers, and shoot the Republicans who are "Waging a war against Obamacare!" . . .

    As I have said so many times before, it's time for the Republicans to sit down and shut up. They are their own worst enemies. If they would just let the Dems do what they do best, they'll shoot themselves in the foot without any help from the Republicans. Obama has taken care of that for them . .

    And if you don't yet believe that, just look at what O'Bozo has done for the country's foreign relations. Anybody who has diplomatic relations with the USA believe anything O'Bozo says?

    Or worse, Jay Carney? Or . . John Kerry?
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    A good read to help understand where Obamacare is at, and is probably going . . .

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...-the-web-site/
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    Well stated, Large. Very well stated - about this nation being pushed into socialism. What I don't understand is this: It is WELL KNOWN that socialism DOESN'T WORK. So why are they pushing for it? Makes no sense.

    It's pretty much at the point where I don't even recognize this country anymore!
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    Dunno . . I suppose most liberals don't really want "Socialism" as we know it.

    They want the "Utopia" that socialism promises, but has never succeeded because of the humans who ran it, I suppose. In every case, it has come down to either totalitarianism or "Bankruptcy" of the country or government. In every case, it was the intent of that government's framers to make the "Rich" pay for the government and to share their wealth (Redistribution) with the poor. "Everyone would be "Equal" except for those in power. Being elitists, they, of course, were always above the Hoi Poloi and lived much like royalty. That was possible because they spent the money from goods provided by the "Non-Rich" until the "Non-Rich" got tired of it and hung them on light poles in front of their palaces and monuments.

    Socialized Medicine has been one of those things the Liberals have always tried to sell the country and world. Oddly, we have Britain and Canada to compare with the expensive system we, in the US, have had for a couple of hundred years. While our system has gotten more expensive (for a number of valid reasons and some not so valid) both countries mentioned has had a severe decline in the quality of health care granted to it's citizens. In either country, it's a two tiered system where the rich can afford to pay cash for their care, but because most of the good doctors have left their countries for greener pastures, those desiring good care must travel or immigrate to the US, usually, for the quality of care that is needed.

    One would think that when the Liberals learn of this, they would see the fallacy of the "Single Payer System" . . They don't. Instead they argue that Britain and Canada "just aren't doing it right" . . And they, of course, use the "Rich, Profiteering Insurance Companies" as the reason all of this costs so much. Granted, the insurance companies have had it pretty good for many years, mostly because of federal and state regulation guided by lobbyists instead of good sense, but if you're wanting to make money in stocks, don't buy into Health Insurance Companies. They are among the least profitable corporations out there. However . . That doesn't stop the liberals from villianizing them. Alinsky's rules state that you must have someone to blame for your self created problems, and the Insurance Companies are the logical whipping boys because? . . They're "RICH" . . .

    And when organizing anything, liberals employ the sliding scale of "Who's Rich" and the fact that we'll "make them pay" . . The "sliding scale" usually starts with their definition of "Rich" being multi-millionaires, but when they find that even at 100% taxation, there's not enough revenue, then they start lowering the bar. They re-define "rich' as being anyone with a million dollar income, then down to $250,000 a year, then $250,000 for a couple, $100,000 if you're single. Currently, in the case of Amendment 66 in our state, it's down to $75,000 a year. But they always put the word "Rich" in there to divide them that's got from them that don't . .

    And the young and stupid (pretty much anyone below 30) buy into the divide very quick. After all, they don't know much about much. They're students or young people just entering the job market or self liability. They're usually working at "Entry Level" salaries or income, no matter their chosen profession. And they see the people who they work for as "Rich" because of the material things most of the successful people possess. And because they have yet to realize the risk and liabilities those people assume they are generally jealous of those same people, and want what they have without the necessary work and experience it took to get it. The liberal "organizer" attracts those kind of people. The "99%" are a perfect example. Most of the 99% were either graduate students that were employed or students that had just graduated and demanded the profits of having a job without the necessary work or experience. Which is "Socialism completely mis-understood"! Or . . Governmental welfare for the masses . . the surest way to a totalitarian government if there ever was one . . .

    But, after all of the above, I'm not sure I understand any of it either. One would think anybody who understands simple mathematics could understand that (using D'inesh Osouza's analogy about the cart) that once everyone who once was pulling the cart, is now in the cart, there is no "Ride in the Cart" . . Or to use Maggie's anology, "You run out of the other people's money".
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