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    Quote Originally Posted by masonranch View Post
    So the delay/stonewalling of the Keystone pipeline is just more economic interference to try to drive the price of fossil fuels high enough so that wind and solar can compete. I think some of the radical enviro group would like to see $10 a gallon gas just to force us into electric/fuel cell cars.
    That's what makes me wonder if they aren't actually funded by the Koch brothers. Drive up the price of energy all around then kill the EV again. If they really wanted to kill the ICE and force us into EVs, they wouldn't be talking CO2, they'd be shouting about toxic emissions and particulate pollution. EG. Acid rain and lung cancer.

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    This is government acting not in favor of the voters but against their best interest - who needs it and for D@mn sure who should have to pay for their own oppression while funding with these same higher prices Russian black mail of Europe and Islamic Terror? This is nuts and the people that voted for this should all be sent to an insane asylum and committed for psychiatric therapy and brain transplant.
    Don't blame the ignorant voters. They only do what the media tells them after they have been indoctrinated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by monroe View Post
    That's what makes me wonder if they aren't actually funded by the Koch brothers. Drive up the price of energy all around then kill the EV again.
    Whoa this is @ss backwards. Drive up the price of energy will make EV's more attractive not kill them. Right now at 10 cents per Kilowatt Hour, electricity is the equivalent of 72 cents per gallon gas i.e. 7.2 KWH per mechanical energy in a gallon of gasoline.

    But Obama's war on coal may drive the price of electricity through the roof. Even at 20 cents per KWH, that's still $1.44 per gallon gas equivalent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by masonranch View Post
    Whoa this is @ss backwards. Drive up the price of energy will make EV's more attractive not kill them.
    Look at the big picture. Coal power plants and hydro power plants are being decommissioned and nuclear has a bad image. New hydro plants and geothermal are not getting permits. That leaves natural gas for electricity generation along with solar and wind. Who controls natural gas?

    Legislators are pushing hydrogen fuel cells. At this time, the most promising method of producing hydrogen is still from natural gas. Who controls natural gas?

    It isn't the price of energy that would destroy the EV, it is bad press and legislation; just like 100 years ago. Don't forget how much power the brothers wield.
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    Keystone would allow Canadian oil to be sold to the world as an American export.
    Environmentalists oppose and Obama delays.
    Canada wants to build a pipeline to the west coast.
    Environmentalists oppose.
    Europe depends on Russian oil and gas.
    Russia attacks Ukraine.
    World imposes sanctions on Russia.
    Russia threatens Europe's energy delivery.
    War in Middle East attacks oil facilities.
    Canada on verge of approving west coast pipeline & port.
    Russia negotiates to sell oil to China.
    Russian oil tanker adrift off Canada's west coast conveniently close to proposed oil port at end of proposed pipeline.
    Environmentalists rejoice.

    Question 1: Is there a thread of continuity through this series of events?
    Question 2: Who is most likely to gain from these events?
    Question 3: Can you predict the next three additions to this list?
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    Quote Originally Posted by monroe View Post
    Question 1: Is there a thread of continuity through this series of events?
    Question 2: Who is most likely to gain from these events?
    Question 3: Can you predict the next three additions to this list?
    1. It sure seems there is a concerted effort todrive the price of oil products through the roof. Is this all a oil cartel manipulation.
    2. Russia would seem to be the big winner, but ISIS in Iraq should have driven oil to $200 a barrel but it has dropped to near $75 a barrel hurting Russia
    3. ?

    A comment from another.

    10-19-14 Jester: GUYS THIS SCENARIO IS UNDERWAY... ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS LOOK IN THE NEWS AND SEE IT...THE EAST IS WORKING THE PLAN... AND THE PLAN IS GOING TO RESULT IN THE FALL OF THE DOLLAR FROM GRACE... THEY DO NOT WANT IT ANYMORE…

    AND WHEN RUSSIA AND CHINA ARE ON BOARD... AND JAPAN AND AUSTRALIA... AND THEN ALL THEIR BILATERAL TRADE PARTNERS START DOING THE SAME... HOW MUCH MORE CAN WE LAST PROPPING UP A USELESS COMMODITY THAT NO ONE WANTS.

    AND THE LIST IS HUGE... THE ENDGAME IS UNDERWAY...

    SO I HOPE YOU ARE ALL READY... THERE ARE 3 THINGS PROJECTED TO GET IN A FIGHT OVER... GAS... FOOD... AND MONEY... MAKE SURE YOU HAVE SOME OF THOSE ON HAND JUST IN CASE...

    LET’S HOPE IT DOES NOT COME TO THAT... BUT IF THINGS DO FALL THAT BAD... THERE ARE GOING TO BE SHORTAGES AND THINGS WILL GET TIGHT... BEST TO JUST STAY HOME IF YOU CAN... HAHAHAHA....HOPEFULLY THE CABLE DOES NOT GO OFF...
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    Quote Originally Posted by masonranch View Post
    ISIS in Iraq should have driven oil to $200 a barrel but it has dropped to near $75 a barrel hurting Russia.
    The price of oil has been kept high by OPEC manipulating supply. However, as I alluded in the other topic, the increasing sales of electric and hybrid vehicles has shocked OPEC members into opening the taps and lowering the price in an attempt to put the genii back in the bottle.

    I think technology has advanced to the point where alternate energy sources are becoming more appealing and affordable to the point where gasoline may become a byproduct with a diminishing market. If the sales of EVs and PHEVs continue to rise we may see $0.99/gal before 2017 regardless of strife in the Middle East.
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    Quote Originally Posted by masonranch View Post
    1. It sure seems there is a concerted effort todrive the price of oil products through the roof.
    Yes, and I too think that Russia is behind it.

    Here is what I think will happen soon:
    1. Russia will contract to sell oil and gas to China.
    2. Russia will reduce oil and gas exports to Europe.
    3. Canada will establish an east coast terminal.
    4. Canada will establish a west coast terminal.
    5. Canada will contract to sell oil to US at a discount.
    6. Keystone will be approved.
    7. US companies will buy Canadian oil and export to the world market as American oil.
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    The original plan for the Keystone Pipeline was to enable the Canadians to sell their "Refined products" to the world without having to build the Refineries . . Plus, they wouldn't have to deal with the NIMBY's and Environmentalists for building a pipeline through their western mountains . . I dunno how far back I said that. .
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    Quote Originally Posted by large View Post
    The original plan for the Keystone Pipeline was to enable the Canadians to sell their "Refined products" to the world without having to build the Refineries . . Plus, they wouldn't have to deal with the NIMBY's and Environmentalists for building a pipeline through their western mountains . . I dunno how far back I said that. .
    What refined products would they send through a crude oil pipeline?
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    Quote Originally Posted by monroe View Post
    What refined products would they send through a crude oil pipeline?
    Never said that . . The plan, according to the Law that is to be signed, if ever, states that the Canadian Crude, once shipped into West Louisiana or specific refineries in the Houston area, would be refined, and the refineries would be specified as "Tax Exempt for foreign products" (similar to an "Enterprise Zone" in the states) and the Canadian refined products, for all practical purposes, "never existed" in the US. It would be, strictly, a "World Product" . . "Leaving Louisiana in the dark Moonlight" as the song goes . .
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