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Sandra
08-29-2012, 11:13 AM
Pueblo Police Officer shot twice, then kills suspect (http://www.koaa.com/news/pueblo-police-officer-shot-twice-then-kills-suspect/)

So sorry to hear about this. Hope the officer has a speedy recovery.

large
08-29-2012, 12:39 PM
Geez, we're lucky it wasn't a New York City Cop . . He's have shot the suspect 10 times and wounded another 13 bystanders . . . !

Sandra
08-29-2012, 03:20 PM
One of the people commenting at KOAA or on FB or wherever is saying that the deceased had a bb gun and the cop shot him 6 times. This leads me to believe it is a juvenile in question, and I hope it isn't anyone I know.

Even so, I have to side with the cop on this one - you don't shoot anything at a cop - not even a bb gun. If whoever shot first, then the cop was justified. That's all I can say about that - this is a terrible tragedy all the way around, and it breaks my heart.

Gershon
08-29-2012, 04:12 PM
One of the people commenting at KOAA or on FB or wherever is saying that the deceased had a bb gun and the cop shot him 6 times. This leads me to believe it is a juvenile in question, and I hope it isn't anyone I know.

Even so, I have to side with the cop on this one - you don't shoot anything at a cop - not even a bb gun. If whoever shot first, then the cop was justified. That's all I can say about that - this is a terrible tragedy all the way around, and it breaks my heart.

It's not unusual for a cop to fire all their bullets and have no recollection of doing it. Shooting to injure only works in the movies.

I've known cops to be wrong. But the safest thing to do when approached by one is to be extremely cooperative.

Susie
08-29-2012, 04:27 PM
A 21-year-old man armed with a BB gun shot a Pueblo police officer twice, once in the head, who then returned fire killing the man, Pueblo Police Chief Luis Velez said this afternoon.

More... (http://www.chieftain.com/news/local/shooting-suspect-armed-with-bb-gun-shoots-at-cop-dies/article_13069ea2-f1e9-11e1-84da-001a4bcf887a.html)

large
08-29-2012, 05:13 PM
Geez, we're lucky it wasn't a New York City Cop . . He's have shot the suspect 10 times and wounded another 13 bystanders . . . !

Well, at least he didn't shoot any bystanders . . But one has to wonder why anybody needs to be shot 6 times with .40 caliber hollow points. Especially when they aren't shooting back! Or 10 times in the New York case . . how many times can you kill someone?

And Velez flatfootedly stated that it was a "good Shoot" . .

Sandra
08-29-2012, 05:22 PM
Aren't shooting back? The cop got hit twice! From what I can tell from the stories, the guy fired twice at the cop and hit him in the head - and the cop returned fire - sounds like he emptied his revolver, although I didn't know revolvers had 8 rounds, every revolver I've ever seen has only had 6.

Sandra
08-29-2012, 05:24 PM
Also I'm thinking adrenaline may have kicked in and the cop wasn't going to take any chances of being hit again. Just a thought - I mean, he WAS hit in the head.

Glad to hear he's going to be okay. Or she? I don't know the gender of the officer - but I'm betting they're not exactly singing and dancing about having taken a life.

Loren Swelk
08-30-2012, 09:48 AM
Aren't shooting back? The cop got hit twice! From what I can tell from the stories, the guy fired twice at the cop and hit him in the head - and the cop returned fire - sounds like he emptied his revolver, although I didn't know revolvers had 8 rounds, every revolver I've ever seen has only had 6.

I don't believe the police carry revolvers. From the ones I have seen on the hip of many police officers they appear to be a pistol that accepts a magazine, or clip, which I think would make them a type of pistol called a semi-automatic. Someone correct me if I am wrong, but I do know they aren't a revolver.

large
08-30-2012, 10:16 AM
Aren't shooting back? The cop got hit twice! From what I can tell from the stories, the guy fired twice at the cop and hit him in the head - and the cop returned fire - sounds like he emptied his revolver, although I didn't know revolvers had 8 rounds, every revolver I've ever seen has only had 6.

Oh, come on . . Ferchrissake! He got hit in the head with a D@mned BB! He's either a blooming idiot or a first degree p-ssy. When we were kids (before "Politically Correct's" time and "you'll put your eye out") we played kick the can, in the dark, or by moonlight, with a Daisy BB gun. The guy who was "IT" got the gun and when he shot you, you were "OUT" . . I got my share of welts . . No big deal . . It was part of "Having Fun" . .

Granted, you can buy BB Guns today that rival a .22 Long Rifle for muzzle velocity, but if you've been shot in the head, and you're still standing, and seeing out of both eyes, you aren't hurt and the guy didn't shoot you with a real gun. Had a similar problem in my neighborhood, and a City Cop told me, absolutely, if the guy you shoot had a BB Gun, no matter how powerful, self defense wouldn't make it with the DA . .

And . . 'Nother "Gun Lesson" . . Revolvers can commonly have cylinders that hold 9 or even 10 rounds . . generally they are .22 cal but there are others. In the case of the Pueblo Policeman, I don't know of any that carry a revolver anymore. They all carry, as far as I know, Semi-Auto pistols that hold as few as 6 rounds and as many as 15 rounds . . and are generally .40 cal centerfire . . Police are required to load their handguns with low velocity virgin lead hollow points in order to control penetration and ricochet, so generally, a center mass shot will knock the target down on impact. And, with a Semi-Auto pistol, after the first double action shot, it's all just squeeze and there goes another one . . That's how the New York City Cops shot 13 bystanders . . I can't believe that the target was still standing after the second shot unless the cop couldn't hit a bull in the @ss with a shovel at three feet!

To me anyway, there's way too many cops shooting people without substantial just reasoning . . And not only shooting too many, but shooting them too many times . . I've seen several videos of cops in shootings and they shoot long after anything needs to be shot! In one, they not only hit the perp over 30 times, they killed the K9 sent in in the middle of the fusillade. Extremely stupid! For some reason, if you have 15 shots in the pistol and 3 more clips with 15 shots in each, apparently it's OK to use 'em all up. No use letting ammo get old . .

On the argument about not knowing how many rounds you cycled through your handgun while the adrenilin is pumping, that's Bullsh*t!, plain and simple. The cops are the only people who have ever used that argument with any modicum of success in a court of law. Not a single self defense case, manslaughter or murder case has ever recognized that as a viable defense for shooting the victim more than once or twice . . After that, according to all of the prosecutors, it was raw emotion and hate . . Not even "Fear" . .

For over 30 years, I maintained a rapport with a lot of Pueblo's Finest, shot with them, socialized with them. And y'know what? In that 30 years there were 3 Police involved shootings, and two standoffs, as far as I can remember. In both standoffs, they were resolved without a fatality. Cops just looked at what they did and the risks involved differently. And they handled people differently. They didn't look at every contact as a potential cop killer . . In the three Shootings, FIVE Rounds were expended . . Total!

masonranch
08-30-2012, 10:18 AM
I don't believe the police carry revolvers. From the ones I have seen on the hip of many police officers they appear to be a pistol that accepts a magazine, or clip, which I think would make them a type of pistol called a semi-automatic. Someone correct me if I am wrong, but I do know they aren't a revolver.

A Ruger 9mm auto has a 15 round magazine.

Sandra
08-30-2012, 10:32 AM
Loren to be honest I've not taken the time to notice what they are issued - it very well could be a semi automatic. It's good to have one of each - semi-automatics can jam, the problem with revolvers (if you can even call it a problem) is that they don't hold as many rounds.

Large - come on, get real - is the cop supposed to wait until he is hit and then asses the level of pain to determine whether that thing he sees that looks like a gun and fires projectiles is a bb gun or a .22, .38, .45, or whatever?

Do you really expect that the officer should take the chance and wait? From a distance you can't tell the difference anymore. And even today's real guns look like toys - they come in all kinds of colors - I've seen a Hello Kitty AK47 - it looks like a child's toy but is as real as real can be! Check this out:

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Sorry, but I'm on the side of the cop in this one, although if it's the same Edward Valdez that I found on facebook, I feel very bad for his family - he really did look like a nice kid. He actually has that same look on his face in that picture of him that my daughter, who is a high functioning autistic, always has on hers, so I wonder.

But you don't go shooting out car windows and you don't point anything that even remotely looks like or is shaped like a firearm at a cop - especially one that's on duty who just caught you blowing out car windows, otherwise this can happen. When a police officer has a weapon pointing at him he doesn't have time to discern whether it's real - his training kicks in.

I feel bad for the cop and the guy's family both - this is a tragedy all the way around - it's heartbreaking beyond words!

large
08-30-2012, 11:54 AM
Loren to be honest I've not taken the time to notice what they are issued - it very well could be a semi automatic. It's good to have one of each - semi-automatics can jam, the problem with revolvers (if you can even call it a problem) is that they don't hold as many rounds.

Large - come on, get real - is the cop supposed to wait until he is hit and then asses the level of pain to determine whether that thing he sees that looks like a gun and fires projectiles is a bb gun or a .22, .38, .45, or whatever?

Sorry, but I'm on the side of the cop in this one, although if it's the same Edward Valdez that I found on facebook, I feel very bad for his family - he really did look like a nice kid. He actually has that same look on his face in that picture of him that my daughter, who is a high functioning autistic, always has on hers, so I wonder.

But you don't go shooting out car windows and you don't point anything that even remotely looks like or is shaped like a firearm at a cop - especially one that's on duty who just caught you blowing out car windows, otherwise this can happen. When a police officer has a weapon pointing at him he doesn't have time to discern whether it's real - his training kicks in.

I feel bad for the cop and the guy's family both - this is a tragedy all the way around - it's heartbreaking beyond words!

Aww, c'mon, as one who has carried a gun for over 40 years, I know for a fact that if someone is (or is intending to) shooting at me from the common average distance (20-25 feet) I'll d@mned sure know if it's a "Firearm" or a BB Gun, or for that matter, a "Pellet" gun . . Again, if you're still standing after taking one in the head, it wasn't a real gun, .22 or otherwise . . Not to mention, normally there's "muzzle blast" (Smoke, fire and, sooner or later, noise) which is absolutely noticeable . . No smoke, or muzzle blast, it wasn't a real gun . . On the other hand, if you saw no smoke, or fire, heard no blast, and it was "real", then probably you're dead . . old Hunter's rule, Know your target. If you don't know what the guy has, figure it out before you kill someone (or something) that you might not need to . . The cop failed to do a proper assessment of the situation before He/She inserted themself into it . . My bet is that the Cop did the usual "Bull in a China Shop" control routine without ever looking to see what had actually taken place . . Carrying a gun and shooting at people requires more than a badge and Chief Velez' permission . .

And where was a "Backup Officer" which is generally demanded anytime a 911 comes in about a "Gun Involved" or "Gunfire Involved"?

The kid was stupid . . The Cop was Stoopider! Let's hope that Cop gets to see that kid's last quiver every night for the rest of their life . . You just don't kill people for things like that!

On the difference between Revolvers and Autos . . Autos aren't as noisy, have no side cone blast, and generally hold a lot more Ammunition. Most of the early Autos, with the exception of the 1911 Colt had problems with Hollow Point and Semi Jacketed bullets. The feed ramp angle into the barrel would hang a round if you didn't have a magazine spring that rivaled the rear spring on a 1959 Cadillac, generally about the fourth or fifth round . . The newer Autos have put the feed ramp a few thousandths of an inch further forward, changed the feed angle and lengthened the ejection port . . Most of them will crank out hundreds of rounds without ever hanging one . .

On Capacities . . Most of the standard sized Autos, Colt, Beretta, Ruger, Glock and S&W, have 15 round magazines . . my favorite, the S&W 6906 has a 12 round clip and the lovely little Ruger LC has a 6 shot clip . . Any of which would kill someone at least three times . . . And . . once in a while some idiot (like the Theatre Shooter) will decide to use extra high capacity magazines . . Thank God . . They don't work well . . usually hanging a round after 10 or 20 shots . . don't buy 'em, don't depend on 'em. They'll get you killed . .

Gershon
08-30-2012, 12:15 PM
Large,

I think you may have hit on something with the "Bull in the China Shop" comment. It's quite possible the officer could have waited with safe cover until backup arrived, but only if the bicycle was stopped. But recall there were witnesses to the whole thing, meaning other people in the area. We can't know for sure that the kid wouldn't have aimed his gun at them.

Your analogies are really good. They often make things clear. Fortunately, the whole thing is on video. It will likely disappear if it shows any wrongdoing.

large
08-30-2012, 01:13 PM
Large,

I think you may have hit on something with the "Bull in the China Shop" comment. It's quite possible the officer could have waited with safe cover until backup arrived, but only if the bicycle was stopped. But recall there were witnesses to the whole thing, meaning other people in the area. We can't know for sure that the kid wouldn't have aimed his gun at them.

Your analogies are really good. They often make things clear. Fortunately, the whole thing is on video. It will likely disappear if it shows any wrongdoing.

If you've been trained well, One, you want to avoid gunfights, and two, you don't want to be standing someplace where you can get shot in the head . . What the hell was this cop thinking? If you tend to believe that someone has a firearm and could be a danger to you or the population in general, don't stand there with your finger in your butt and let him shoot you in the head . . And, yes, he should have had backup. The kid was shooting glass, not a @ss, so the cop should have observed and witnessed until the shooter either put someone in danger or the backup got there . .

And . . you have to think, this kid was either a crack shot, or really close, or the cop was a d@mned fool . . Think about it . . Here's a guy riding down the street on a bicycle, shooting out tempered glass car windows, no muzzle blast, fire or smoke . . You jump out of your car and (apparently) stand there like a cardboard target, and, apparently, say something that makes him shoot at you . . and hits you . . by now, if you haven't figured out that he has a BB Gun or a pellet pistol, then you don't have enough sense to come in out of the rain . . And d@mned sure shouldn't be wearing a Badge . . or carrying a gun . .

Then you shoot him 6 times with a .40 caliber Semi-Auto pistol and say it was Justified? I just can't screw this around in my head and make it come out right, or at least in favor of the cop . . A 2" X 3.5" piece of tin on the left breast doesn't make you bullet proof nor does it make you a judge and jury . . And to shoot any human being 6 times with a .40 Cal Hollow Point isn't self defense. It's, at best, incompetence!

Add to that, then, the Police explanation about leaving the body exposed, for over four hours . . "Because it required a thorough investigation" . . bullcrap! How much investigation was needed? The Coroner will count the holes, the IAB will count the cartridge casings, and measure the distances involved. We'll talk to the witnesses at the Police Station . . And of course, take a picture of the welt on the cop's head from the BB hit . . Fer Chrissake, you'd think they were investigating the Kennedy Assassination . . I think it was a CYA moment . . .

Sandra
08-30-2012, 02:13 PM
Large, the cop was a 2 year veteran - he doesn't have the experience you have.

As for waiting for cover - idunno about that one - he caught him in the process of shooting out car windows - and that's how that confrontation began - sometimes you don't have time to wait for back up - he got hit with a bb - how did he know it wasn't a bullet? Granted a bb won't do as much damage, but neither does a bullet if it just grazes you.

If this is the same fella that I found on facebook (and it might not be) there is a picture of a gun on his facebook with rounds near it. I know that they do make bb guns and pellet guns that look like that, I've seen them in the stores. They look real except for a bright red piece that can easily be broken off.

Anyway - I don't know - I wasn't there - but I do know that cops are trained not to wait if they see a weapon pointed at them. I think for us to expect anything different might be a display that we watch too many cop shows on tv. One person on one of the sites wanted to know why the cop didn't just shoot the guy in the kneecaps - that's a tv thing.

I don't like that this person is dead, I don't like that the cop used so many rounds, but if it were me I might have done the same thing. I wouldn't have taken any chances either, and I'm not going to waste good adrenaline on only 2 rounds.

At the same time, I'm not exactly trigger happy, either - and I'm thinking that cop feels pretty darned bad right now. He's probably second guessing himself and everything. I know I would be - I defended myself once by hitting a guy on the head and he bled - I felt terrible! I felt like I had done something terribly wrong and that I was lower than dirt - but I wasn't going to let him beat me up, either.

I don't think the cop got off on shooting the other guy - and I feel bad for him, although I do feel pretty bad for the family of the deceased - my heart breaks for them - they lost a son that day - they didn't even get him to the hospital to try to revive him - they just let him lay there while they investigated - sometimes a body seems to have no life and no pulse but there may still be life - so that part bothers me, too. It's as if they didn't bother to try, but again, I don't know, I wasn't there - I just feel bad for all who were involved. I don't like that this guy was shot, but I can understand the position the cop was in as well.

And you know me, Large - you once labeled me as "anti-cop" because of how critical I can be when I feel they've done wrong. If I thought this cop acted blatantly I'd be all over that like gravy on mashed taters, and you know that about me.

large
08-30-2012, 06:45 PM
Large, the cop was a 2 year veteran - he doesn't have the experience you have.

That has nothing to do with it . . If you're carrying a gun, part of the responsibility you're charged with is to use it only as a Last Resort . . This cop had several other avenues before he resorted to deadly force . . He chose to kill somebody over broken windows and lack of observation . . Experience is something acquired over time, Common sense is something you have to have to start with . . and if he stood still and presented himself as a target when he believed the gun to be real, well, then he's far too stupid to be given the responsibility of carrying a gun. Add to that, according to the paper, the first shot hit the kid in the @ss or the back . . And a correction, there were EIGHT shots fired, not six, as KOAA reported . .

Bottom line, anytime anyone fires more than two or three shots in self defense, they haven't received enough training and they haven't learned to be proficient with the weapon that must save their lives . . too much time in the Donut Shoppe and not enough on the range . . If you choose to carry a gun, or your job requires it, your ability to use it must become another reflexive action wherein hitting a four inch circle at 21 feet is not just an idea but a necessity. That ability should go with the cop every day, without fail. On the Pueblo Police Force, not so much. There are those who are outstanding marksmen, but they are few and far between. It would scare the average citizen to know how many cops can barely qualify with a large caliber handgun . . yet carry them and (as we have seen) use them, again, as we have seen . . without full training, ability or understanding of other options . . too few people realize, when they pull the slide back and release it, stripping a round off the top of the magazine and shoving it into the chamber, that they are preparing to kill a human being . . Because a hand gun isn't carried to keep you from being blown about by the wind or to make you look like a badass when you get out of a Blue and White . . it's for protection from deadly force . . Anything short of that requires other options . .

Sandra
08-30-2012, 07:11 PM
When you've been shot twice, what do you consider a last resort?

large
08-31-2012, 07:46 AM
In my case, it would have to depend upon what I was "Shot" with, first of all. The next thing I would start trying to do is get the Hell out of his target area. When you're two shots down in a "Gunfight" the first priority is to make d@mned sure he doesn't shoot you three times. Then figure out how (and who) to shoot back . . In all of this you should be assessing what he's shooting at you with, so you have some idea of accuracy and timing to return fire. Problem is, most people, including, apparently, the Police, believe in the "Mel Gibson" Defense, which is, don't look for a target, just poke the gun in the general direction and dump 3 or 4 clips of 15 rounds each . . You'll hit something, after all, they do in the movies . .

Back to square one on this particular incident. How in the hell does a cop get shot twice with a BB Gun and fail to realize that is what the "Weapon" is . . ? Might even go as far as ask, How the Hell does a cop get shot with a BB Gun? According to the report, there was an apparent confrontation between the two before the kid shot the cop with the BB Gun, so at that point, the cop should have been doing some assessment on the danger of the situation. Apparently he didn't. Then after he was shot, he still failed to assess the situation correctly and resorted to the last resort. Add in the fact that he didn't use targeting or deliberation in his use of his sidearm and I'll show you a person who shouldn't have a firearm in any circumstance. The Cop posed a greater danger to the general populace than did the kid with the BB Gun . .

Prove me wrong . . .

And, one more time . . Anytime a shooter cannot account for all the shots fired from his/her weapon, they either shouldn't be allowed to have a gun or should receive extensive training before being allowed access to a gun again . . When anyone fires a firearm, for any reason, they, and they alone are responsible for the bullet fired until it becomes a still and inert object. And firing eight shots in the general direction of someone in a densely populated area is totally irresponsible . . Doesn't matter who you are . .

Sandra
08-31-2012, 08:34 AM
Prove you wrong? You're making an assertion. It's your responsibility to present evidence to back those, not mine.

large
08-31-2012, 09:51 AM
In my case, it would have to depend upon what I was "Shot" with, first of all. The next thing I would start trying to do is get the Hell out of his target area. When you're two shots down in a "Gunfight" the first priority is to make d@mned sure he doesn't shoot you three times. Then figure out how (and who) to shoot back . . In all of this you should be assessing what he's shooting at you with, so you have some idea of accuracy and timing to return fire. Problem is, most people, including, apparently, the Police, believe in the "Mel Gibson" Defense, which is, don't look for a target, just poke the gun in the general direction and dump 3 or 4 clips of 15 rounds each . . You'll hit something, after all, they do in the movies . .

Back to square one on this particular incident. How in the hell does a cop get shot twice with a BB Gun and fail to realize that is what the "Weapon" is . . ? Might even go as far as ask, How the Hell does a cop get shot with a BB Gun? According to the report, there was an apparent confrontation between the two before the kid shot the cop with the BB Gun, so at that point, the cop should have been doing some assessment on the danger of the situation. Apparently he didn't. Then after he was shot, he still failed to assess the situation correctly and resorted to the last resort. Add in the fact that he didn't use targeting or deliberation in his use of his sidearm and I'll show you a person who shouldn't have a firearm in any circumstance. The Cop posed a greater danger to the general populace than did the kid with the BB Gun . .

Prove me wrong . . .

And, one more time . . Anytime a shooter cannot account for all the shots fired from his/her weapon, they either shouldn't be allowed to have a gun or should receive extensive training before being allowed access to a gun again . . When anyone fires a firearm, for any reason, they, and they alone are responsible for the bullet fired until it becomes a still and inert object. And firing eight shots in the general direction of someone in a densely populated area is totally irresponsible . . Doesn't matter who you are . .

Basic Defensive Firearms training. One, don't be a target. Two, know what your target is and the danger it presents. Third, aim and shoot with deliberation for accuracy, speed generally gets YOU killed.

The cop did none of these. He/she violated the tenents of Firearms Defenseive Basic Training . . And I don't even have to have the details to make that judgement!

Sandra
08-10-2013, 07:20 AM
Looks like there's more talk about this Citizen Review Panel - again.

Apparently there was another meeting recently - how long has this been going on? Years? I remember missing one meeting because I was giving birth to my now 8 year old, but was able to watch it on closed circuit tv - and it was nothing more than a big b!tch session.

Is that how the meeting at the library was, too? I'd love to see it, but alas, no cable services or anything, and I don't know as this one was even video taped.

Seems to me that the majority of the complainers are people who are either in trouble with the law, have been in trouble with the law, or are complaining on behalf of someone who is in trouble with the law.

And while I can very well tell you that there are issues pertaining to people who are not in trouble with the law - I've had ONE such run in, but when the police realized that I knew what I was talking about and wasn't afraid to call for the Sgt in charge - and that I was rational - the problem was resolved within that hour. Granted, I wasn't thrown to the ground and tasered or anything, but I think we see more of that baloney in Colorado Springs than in Pueblo - cops pulling people over, grabbing them by the hair and pulling them out of the car window -for crying out loud. Or false arrests - CSPD has a lot of power and control issues to the point where they act downright criminal.

I haven't seen a whole lot of that here in Pueblo. I have seen where suspects "didn't want to go back to prison" so they ran from the law - which is the worst thing you can do - and in some cases have caused their own injury or even death in the process, and then their families turn around and blame the cops and want the cops held accountable for that.

Large knows my position on car chases - I think that, unless the officer is pursuing a dangerous criminal or trying to save someone who has just been kidnapped - that's one thing, but most other things - the chase doesn't need to happen because it endangers too many people on the street. Maybe I'm out of the loop, but I don't see a whole lot of that here in Pueblo - or maybe the news just doesn't report on it.

But I am aware of quite a few foot chases - and that's a horse of a different color as far as I'm concerned - if you're running away from the cops and you run out into the street and get hit by a truck - that's your fault, not the cops. If your boy doesn't want to go back to prison, then he needs to modify his behavior so that he's no longer suspicious - stop hanging out with the criminal element, pull his damned pants up, get a shave and a haircut, and a real job. Become a presentable, responsible member of the community.

My take is that, FOR THE MOST PART (as I'm well aware there is a "less" part), if you're not committing crimes, you don't have a whole lot to worry about. As for the less part, I realize there are exceptions to that - and this is why a review board is always a good idea.

I would suggest that if a citizen panel ever did start, that said panel would offer as many rewards as they would finger shakings - to show some balance. If you're always getting mad at people, and you never offer positive feedback -then that just gets old - and useless.

Thoughts?

Sandra
08-18-2013, 11:55 AM
I have to hand it to the cops for something - they weren't in the news for this, but I really like the way they handled something last night.

My internet went out, so I was sitting in the front yard yesterday borrowing the internet signal of a local business that offers free internet to it's guests - those of you who know where I live know what it is, so I'm not saying it here for all to see - for privacy reasons. Anyway, while I was sitting out there, all hell began to break loose in my neighborhood -and it's really hard for me to write this without giving all the details, because I'm the type of person who likes to spell things out for everyone - but basically, the police ended up on my street twice yesterday afternoon dealing with different neighbors and different situations - and both times they handled things in a very positive and professional manner - with a real element of humanity. I was very impressed with how they conducted themselves, actually - they were quite effective.

Although I'm a wee bit upset because there is one neighbor who goes around calling the police on everyone then tells folks it's me doing it. Although some neighbors think he's just a cop wannabe - they don't really like him, but they're still leary of me anyway just because of his gossip. I don't know why anyone listens to him.

Anyway that's the deal - kudos to the cops - I liked the way they handled stuff.

However, I do wonder - I mean, this stuff happened yesterday while I was sitting out in the yard, and I rarely just sit out in my yard during the day - Just how much stuff am I missing by staying in my house with my shades in front drawn? I don't think I want to know.

I can hardly wait until my internet connection is fixed, I don't want to see anything else. lol!

large
08-20-2013, 03:18 PM
Perhaps they are learning that a confrontational attitude or approach isn't working and that perhaps honey is better than battery acid . .

And, where you (and I) live is amongst our minority Majority, who tend to be the people involved in a large share of the disturbances and crimes in our little city . . And whoever is doing whatever that draws a visit from the Police must be doing something pretty illegal because it takes quite a bit to get a cop to show up currently . . More than one usually indicates that someone, someplace close, is in danger or has committed a serious crime . . .

Sandra
08-21-2013, 06:08 AM
The police were out here again yesterday - several times - all looking for the same gal. Turns out it's worse than I thought it was - but the police were still very professional.

It's the neighbors, however, that are the problem. And it's funny - yesterday I watched as one neighbor went to another neighbor who turned around and went right to yet another neighbor. Everyone is yapping about each other - and the common denominator is the person the cops are looking for.

So after seeing that - and with the trouble that's brewing in this neighborhood - I think I'm going to be less neighborly from now on. I hate to not be friends with people, but anytime anyone has anything to say, they come over to me - then turn around and gossip about me and accuse me of being the neighborhood cop caller. (I rarely call the police unless I need them for something - like the time recently when someone was in my backyard in the middle of the night.)

And yesterday I sat on my porch and watched it happen - and got a good laugh even though it's really not funny.

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08-21-2013, 01:03 PM
Hmmm, the cops want something . . So they're being nice to everybody in the area . . But I betcha the neighbors aren't telling the cops diddly . . The three monkeys . . .

Sandra
08-22-2013, 08:10 AM
Idunno - they probably don't want to be called to my street again!

Neighbors here are talking - I watched one neighbor go to another neighbor, who then turned around and went to another neighbor - it was comical looking, actually.

I was standing outside at the neighbor's the day before yesterday talking with them when the Sheriff's office drove up - in two cars - and went to my house! I'm like, "WTF?! Why are they at my place?!" So I walked over to see what was up - they were looking for the same person as the PD - turns out that a family member of that person called on her - don't know why they showed up at my house, though, unless they confused the addresses - because the house in question is directly across the street from mine - but, anyway, some neighbors came out and talked to the Deputies - told some stuff about the party they were looking for that shocked me.

Lesson learned from living in this neighborhood: Don't trust the neighbors.

And it's as hilarious as can be - these folks sitting there doing drugs pointing fingers at other people on the street doing drugs - go figure. I could write a soap opera about this street based on this week's events alone.

I'm so glad my internet is up again - I can sit inside my house with my shades drawn and not have to see or hear all this garbage.

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08-23-2013, 09:44 AM
Again, you live amongst the "Majority Minority" who give the greatest reason for a pro active police force. Most poor people are poor (I've said this before) because they make poor decisions. Add to that, a good share of them are lazy and would rather lay around and screw, smoke dope and drink than work . . Most of the women in these situations draw welfare, etc, but the men have to do something to be able to buy the dope and drinks . . They, most often, steal . .

Thus, the cops are always looking for one or more of them in any neighborhood populated by them . . . It's part and parcel of the "Urban Setting' . .

As for them ratting out their neighbors while doing the same thing, if the cops are looking for somebody else, they're not bothering you . . .

Sandra
08-25-2013, 10:37 AM
Oh, trust me - the cops aren't bothering me. It's the neighbors who are bothering me - calling the cops on each other then blaming it on me. I'm a friendly sort - but then I hear it from all sides, "I called the cops on so and so..." and then "so and so" comes over and wants to know why I called the cops on them.

I really have no need to call the police on anyone unless what they're doing directly affects me or their family. I'm not the tattling type.