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User No Longer With Us
10-22-2006, 06:54 PM
What do you guys think of him?

I like his look and his style, not sure where he stands on the issues yet, but he seems to be a well balanced individual from what I can see so far.

Any thoughts?

User No Longer With Us
10-22-2006, 08:11 PM
After looking thru some of his "issues", I have decided that I will not support him if he runs for President.

I don't like his stand on abortion, firearms, affirmative action, and some economical issues. I'm not too thrilled with his outlook on foreign relations, either.

He has some good ideas concerning welfare, though, and the Iraqi situation, but any man who seeks to eat away at Constitutional rights or the value of human life before birth will not get my vote.

Despite where he stands on issues, I do like his style, and I wouldn't be surprized if that style gets him into the white house anyway.

I like that he's not arrogant, he doesn't look like the type of person who admires himself whenever there's a mirror present; he doesn't act boastful, and he is down to Earth and matter of fact. He has a good business-like persona but has a personable nature as well, so there's good balance there.

He's articulate and knowledgeable, and good looking, it'll be difficult for the US Public to look past that and take a stand on the issues if he runs for office.

Digger Dan
10-27-2006, 04:51 AM
Obama is a cut above H. Clinton.

User No Longer With Us
10-27-2006, 07:19 AM
I have to agree with the cut above part.

A man with his persona would be perfect for this country if he were more of a constitutionalist.

large
10-27-2006, 08:20 AM
You're asking (or expecting) a Democrat to be a Constitutionalist?

OD on caffein or your sinus drug this morning?

I think Obama is just another Lefty in Sheep's clothing. The day after the election, either one (Obama or Hill) will veer sharply to the left Ditch . . Hill will, undoubtedly, not just go into the far left ditch, but out into the pasture and beyond, her past is a sure guide . . where Obama goes can only be conjecture at the present . . Remember, it's the Far left that provides most of the Democratic Party's money, kinda like the Repubs get tons of cash from the Evangelicals

User No Longer With Us
10-27-2006, 02:12 PM
Some good points there, Large.

I really don't like his stand on gun control. Outlaw all semi-automatics? Is my LadySmith less dangerous, then, than my Chief's Special?

large
10-27-2006, 02:44 PM
Again, on the gun control, there should be some kind of limits . . but we apparently haven't touched on them yet . . currently we limit the number of rounds a semi-auto pistol or rifle may hold . . but, I don't have any trouble getting high capacity clips, legally . . they just cost more than they used to.

And that doesn't matter either, even if they were to limit capacity to 2 shots . . that's more than enough to kill someone, and given a little time, well they could possibly kill 100 people . .

That kind of thinking is stupid . . why not make it a mandatory sentence of 10 years for committing a Felony with a Handgun? Add on 10 more if it's stolen? You'll find that Aluminum Baseball Bats will get real popular with the criminals . . and I won't have to worry about the security of a gun safe . .

User No Longer With Us
10-27-2006, 05:01 PM
Guns don't kill people, stupid people with guns (and other weapons of choice) kill other people...

I wonder what Obama's stance on aluminum baseball bats is...

Digger Dan
10-28-2006, 09:17 AM
Come on guys and gals: Dems and Repubs are bankrupt, except for a few dim lights on the horizon. We seem to be locked in by a two party system without much chance yet for a change and a populace that seems to see only extreme right and left in the two parties--we better get to supporting men and women who seem to have common sense when there are no other choices. Too early to measure Obama--however I suspect he and McCain could forge an alliance along with a few other. The extremes of both parties "sound like" the rantings in Germany and Russia (the Soviet Union) in the days leading up to WWII--their supporters sound the same way--the blind led by Socialist-CorpRatists and their fanatic followers--same old world crap that led to the last two world conflagerations and most of the conflicts going on today--all we have to add is a little seasoning of religious fanaticism from the extremists in various religions and we have a system ripe for spoiling.

large
10-28-2006, 11:04 AM
Y'kno, I kinda feel the same way, Dan . .

But the quandry is . . what to do about it? To run for a seat in Congress or the Senate, without the backing of a major party is almost financial suicide . . and to accumulate the amount of money to run against, say, John Salazar, would take several years longer than your first term might last! Unless, of course, you sold your soul to the Devil? heh, heh . .

Running for Governor of a State is a terrible uphill climb, ask Jesse, or currently Kinky Friedman . . Jesse did it by getting out the people who normally, don't vote, or in the case of the Youth, hadn't voted, ever . . Dunno how Kinky is doing in Texas, but I sure as Hell would vote for him!

The other part would be the lonliness once you got to Washington . . Because if you continued to espouse the Anti Dem/Repub Theme, none of them would talk to you . . You would be a Pariah . . and accomplish nothing. It would have to be the election of more than one of you to accomplish any sort of recognition, either within Congress and without.

Thinking on that, one would almost have to start a real grassroots party, based on common sense, more than populism or anything currently being talked of in Politics.

But you are right, the last Congress worked exactly 2 days a week during their session, that taking in both Democrats and Republicans. And while we see the Republicans gravitate towards sleaze and morals flaws, the Democrats are being caught with large amounts of cash in the wrong places, Freezers, Land deals, etc . .

The other way . . Un-Elect Incumbents . . IF they have been there longer than two terms, throw 'em out! Senority in Government means one thing currently, it means the guy has found the combination to the safe . . We're definitely better off with these guys having to figure out what's best for the country than being threatened by some old guy who's been there for 40 years, and has been bribed by every lobbyist in Washington . .

TERM LIMITS CAN APPLY TO FEDERAL LEGISLATORS, WE JUST HAVE TO BE THE LIMITORS!

User No Longer With Us
10-28-2006, 09:32 PM
TERM LIMITS CAN APPLY TO FEDERAL LEGISLATORS, WE JUST HAVE TO BE THE LIMITORS!

fer sherr, dude

Digger Dan
10-29-2006, 07:42 AM
Y'kno, I kinda feel the same way, Dan . .

But the quandry is . . what to do about it?


It would have to be the election of more than one of you to accomplish any sort of recognition, either within Congress and without.

Thinking on that, one would almost have to start a real grassroots party, based on common sense, more than populism or anything currently being talked of in Politics.

The other way . . Un-Elect Incumbents . . IF they have been there longer than two terms, throw 'em out!

TERM LIMITS CAN APPLY TO FEDERAL LEGISLATORS, WE JUST HAVE TO BE THE LIMITORS!


Right on Large--a third party just big enough in the beginning to force Dems/Repubs to the table--on the other hand that probably would just cause Dems/Repubs to gang up to save their plushy do-nothing jobs.

Past third parties seemed to genereally be one issue parties with agendas that were limited to a particular time and place. On the other hand a one issue "term limit" party might just do the trick.

We need a platform that nails the lazy bums to the wall. That may well be term limits--yes--then there would be so many newcomers running that we could infiltrate the Dems/Repubs and destroy their lazy backsides from within.

User No Longer With Us
10-29-2006, 08:13 AM
The Constitution Party is looking pretty good. And the Libertarian Party is actually gathering in strength, too, I think that in the near future the Libertarians will have gained in popularity and may become that third party you're talking about. I'd like to see the Constitution Party beat them to the punch, though.

Digger Dan
11-04-2006, 07:16 AM
I say after this election we hold their feet to the fire to see whether the "old Sens and Reps" got any light in them left and whether the young Sens and Reps got any "guts" Suspect many of the old lights have already gone out and probably many of the new lights were pretty dim before they ran. We got to extinguish the dim lights and go for the bright ones, regardless of their party, and give them a new name--like USA FIRSTERS cause the dimwitted, and dead lights were really not Dems or Repubs, but USA LASTERS.

large
11-04-2006, 02:21 PM
The problem with any "New" party is usually that the founder (or founders) have a platform best served by the CCR Tune, "It Came Out of the Sky" . . and to found a party on the Centrists from both the existing parties, without ending up with the same splintered group of whiners would take someone probably smarter than King Solomon.

Lexi brought up a couple, but when you get to talking to liberterians and The Constitutionalists, they get off on the whole Anti IRS deal and gun control issues that are totally not ready for prime time . . some of them, especially the more radical Constitutionalists are ready for a civil or perhaps, the second Revolutionary war!

Digger Dan
11-11-2006, 07:04 AM
Our Dems and Repubs are really "Sleep around Partys"--sleep with any third party that will give them votes--what a bunch of hedonists manipulating, flip-floppers.

large
11-11-2006, 08:10 AM
Figgered it out, didja?

Heh, heh . . .

Digger Dan
11-23-2006, 07:51 AM
The problem with "figgering it out" is the fact that the politicos keep us trying to figure it out while they go to their next bunch of lies and manipulations--so it's hard to get ahead of them-----sooooo a pile is still a pile no matter what lies and manipulations are told to make it look like a bed of roses. Maybe, just maybe, we understand more about the Revolution than they do--while Dems and Repubs are engaged in Civil War the people just might be preparing the "Big R." Naw we are dumber than our ancestors who did the Big R thing against John Bull.
We face the same kind of Bull, just a little different pile of it.
If hope is optimism at war with pessimism then let the Big R roll.

large
11-23-2006, 10:47 AM
The politicos are just following the trends . .

FINGER POINTING and litigation is the operative today . . why take a chance of becoming the "Goat" if you can weasel around it . . don't do anything that you might be held responsible for . . and this has become the Modus Operandi of the "Public Servant". Do just enough to maintain your place in Office, which, if spun correctly, will often amount to NOTHING.

And this, of course, is where partisan Politics plays a big part of making that NOTHING a huge expense . . after all, gotta reward those who keeps the politico there with those "Earmarked Funds", which, of course the local constituents can't (or won't) complain about . . and of course, the other politicians aren't gonna say much . . 'cause, they got their own pork being sliced, and while the guy across the aisle is an ******* at election time, he's gonna vote for my pork and I'm gonna vote for his! So he's OK . . . unless this is a press conference!