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Loren Swelk
04-23-2009, 09:15 AM
Looks like Judge Reyes is getting tired of "Plea Bargain" Bill. He tossed this one out this morning. Read the article and tell me if you don't agree that Bill was giving everything way to get a conviction at any cost, and without jail time to boot!
http://www.chieftain.com/articles/2009/04/23/news/local/doc49effe0928918297195245.txt

Loren Swelk
05-02-2009, 07:16 AM
It only cost the taxpayers $41,000 for "Plea Bargain Bill" to realize that an
ADA with a long history of courtroom no-shows was a liability to the department.
http://www.chieftain.com/articles/2009/05/02/news/local/doc49fbd90ef3c15916582550.txt

large
05-02-2009, 07:42 AM
"Half of a job is just showing up" . . in almost any case . .

opa
05-02-2009, 09:43 AM
Right on Large. Loren, you seem to be up on the DA's office and what it's doing. If you've got a story let me know. Favorable or not. I'm on the Communications Committee for the local republican party, and we're trying to find stories for our newsletter all the time. My email is opaswearingen@hotmail.com. If you'd rather not, that's fine, too.

Loren Swelk
05-23-2009, 11:14 AM
Well this is a big surprise from today's Chieftain:
http://www.chieftain.com/articles/2009/05/23/news/local/doc4a17887f15b0a563815280.txt
I especially like the use of the phrase "All I can say is that these are the facts presented in the case, as unorthodox as it may sound."
Does that mean "as clumsily as the evidence could be quickly fabricated?"

large
05-23-2009, 11:48 AM
The physical descriptions of the incident defy even fiction writer's standards . . not to mention, nothing was said about the 3 shots the police fired or the five shots witnesses said they heard . . nor, how, the gun went from the left hand, under the right arm, over a nearly five foot concrete hand rail, after the man holding the gun was shot in the back of the neck . . geometry and physics defy that particular reaction. Not to mention after even two shots, none were returned . .

Suicide by Cop . . . No video, so everybody skates . .

And Winchester never made a 9mm pistol . . just the ammunition.

What can one expect when one law enforcement agency investigates another, with whom they work with daily?

Had it been me, a civilian, with the explanation that has been given, unless Witt had fired first, and there was a preponderance of evidence that he had, I'd be discussing the whole deal with Bubba, my new cellmate and Joe Koncilia, my Lawyer . .

Mclower2001
05-23-2009, 08:04 PM
I can't comment but in a few weeks I have a storey that will blow everybodys mind.

large
05-24-2009, 09:19 AM
I can't comment but in a few weeks I have a storey that will blow everybodys mind.

Heh, heh, bring facts, 'cause there's people up here who lean every which way and will beat you to death over spelling and grammar . .

welcome to the board . .

Loren Swelk
05-27-2009, 07:38 PM
Greg Robinson was buried today, over a 1,000 people attended. The 15 year old who pulled out in front of his motorcycle on May 12th was driving without a license or a learners permit and had his drunk step father in the truck he was driving. The 15 year old has yet to be charged and the drunk relative has been charged with only minor offenses. Keep an eye on how Thiebaut handles this one.

large
05-28-2009, 10:11 AM
Lessee where it goes . . I think this one will require more wisdom than Thiebault can muster . .

Actually . . Who's guilty of what here?

Are we going to make an example of a kid? Or his stepfather, who, while wrong, perhaps, tried to prevent exactly what happened, by putting someone who hadn't drank, in the driver's seat. His wrong assumption that the kid wouldn't make a driving error really doesn't deserve a vehicular homicide charge . . He's guiltier than the kid, but of what? Drunken spectating? Drunken teaching? Lack of individual responsibility? Probably the latter, but is there a specific law concerning it?

One year is the difference between the time the kid would have been out and making the same mistake (possibly) that he made a week ago . .

What if . . The kid would have been a 15 year old anglo girl, with her sober mother allowing her to drive? Would Griz be a little less dead?

I know of many parents who have taught their kids to drive in parking lots and out on the street before they ever go for their learner's permit. How else do urban kids learn to drive?

I grew up in the country, was driving a tractor by the time I was 10 or 11, and driving a car or pickup on the lanes by the time I was 13 . . City kids don't get those opportunities . .

Not even arguing, but adding food for thought on whatever decision Monty II makes . .

Bob Nattering
05-28-2009, 02:02 PM
Heh, heh, bring facts, 'cause there's people up here who lean every which way and will beat you to death over spelling and grammar . .

welcome to the board . .

Actually, Dean has kindly pointed out that we are all inferior when it comes to facts, spelling and grammar. Therefore, a thick skin might be more important than facts.

large
05-28-2009, 02:19 PM
Hmmm, 'spose Kevlar might be considered the "Uniform of the Day"?

Incidentally, that's what I contribute my long life to . . Kevlar . . and friends who couldn't shoot straight!

Loren Swelk
06-08-2009, 03:54 AM
Billy is getting his name and picture on the front page for all the wrong reasons and then going to great lengths to defend an undefendable position on minor victories vs. major defeats.
http://www.chieftain.com/articles/2009/06/08/news/local/doc4a2c9a53e1e5e609762795.txt

large
06-08-2009, 10:25 AM
The DA's office and the Law Enforcement agencies are certainly in a bind, as far as their community images are concerned . . and the fact that an Assistant DA has been paid over $40k while not turning a lick (Administrative Suspension) is not good news and certainly not going to fatten up Billy's resume any . . . Matter of fact, were it not for the fact that the County commission is no more than a retirement home for semi sober Politicians, they would have him up on carpet for these employment discretions . . Fact is, in the Corporate world, ole Billy and his assistant would be history right after the suspension . .

Then he becomes the namesake for the Investigation of a Law Enforcement agency involving a shooting that leaves more questions than answers, and leaves it with the same questions . . He hasn't helped that agency either . .

Adding that and the fact that they barely got Roebuck in jail . . after publicly tying him to at least 4 murders in Pueblo in the last 4 years . . . tells me that somebody is missing a lot of something somewhere . .

And we won't mention the big fist fight all the Sheriff's Deputies got into out at the bar in Pueblo West one night and Ole Billy's still investigating that one . .

Loren Swelk
06-20-2009, 11:55 AM
Well same thing, different case. When Bill's Merry Band of Bozos do show up for a court case, they get spanked. I am hopeful that there may be civil action on Zaremba's part against the DA for his show boating arrest and for filing a lawsuit that turned out to be nothing short of frivilous. Once again, Thiebaut gets his name in the paper for all of the wrong reasons. He is as much of an embarassment to the public as Mutt and Jeff are over at the County Commissioner's office.

large
06-22-2009, 10:19 AM
Y'kno, looking at the whole County Government as a (w)hole, "We" seem to not have voted with much wisdom . . Heh, heh . .

The D.A. Situation is beginning to make ole Gus's loose operation look like the deal on "Law and Order", the County Commission is reverting back to the old Democratic machine days of the early 50's and even though Sheriff Kirk Taylor has probably done the best to stay out of the Headlines, between a continual turnover of S.O. Employees, Off duty fisticuffs among the rank and file, and busting licensed Weed Farmers, we're starting to see some startling incompetence here . .

I guess it just shows that "Dead Folks" shouldn't be allowed to vote!

bhoogren
06-22-2009, 12:29 PM
Y'kno, looking at the whole County Government as a (w)hole, "We" seem to not have voted with much wisdom . . Heh, heh . .

The D.A. Situation is beginning to make ole Gus's loose operation look like the deal on "Law and Order", the County Commission is reverting back to the old Democratic machine days of the early 50's and even though Sheriff Kirk Taylor has probably done the best to stay out of the Headlines, between a continual turnover of S.O. Employees, Off duty fisticuffs among the rank and file, and busting licensed Weed Farmers, we're starting to see some startling incompetence here . .

I guess it just shows that "Dead Folks" shouldn't be allowed to vote!

You wanted Washington out of it, you got it. Welcome to the mob...etc.

large
06-22-2009, 12:43 PM
Washington should never have any influence on local issues, be they Education, Law Enforcement, Abortion or any other "State's Rights" issue . .

Pueblo County's governmental figures are the results of a particular voting bloc which is more impressed in the "What can it get for me free?", Than "I want a community that I and my children can be proud of and live in safely".

Some of those issues aren't even "State" issues, but extremely local . .

Loren Swelk
11-07-2009, 08:11 AM
Everyone know that Plea Bargain Bill Thiebaut's won-loss record is terrible when his inept staff is forced into court to try a case in front of a judge and jury and he has relied on plea bargains to at least get something up in the win column, even if it means bargaining a couple of felonies down to a single misdemeanor. According to today's Chieftain, even that plan may be going out the window.

http://www.chieftain.com/articles/2009/11/07/news/local/doc4af532e6f053f432194309.txt

Loren Swelk
05-13-2010, 09:53 AM
Thiebaut has destroyed my faith in the DA's office to successfully prosecute a case. All the defendant has to do is wait them out and they will implode.
from todays Chieftain:
http://www.chieftain.com/news/local/article_130b04d6-5e4f-11df-b905-001cc4c03286.html

large
05-13-2010, 09:57 AM
I guess they wore out their tennis shoes dragging their feet, Hmmmmm?

I mean, the case wasn't serious enough to bribe somebody to get it thrown out, or the price of the D.A.'s office has gone down with the economy . . Heh, heh . . .

large
05-14-2010, 08:19 AM
And again today . .

www.chieftain.com/news/local/article_4b285f32-5f1a-11df-aa65-001cc4c002e0.html

This one wasn't a misdemeanor, but a murder case . .

DMad
05-17-2010, 01:46 PM
Current DA is JV = Junior Varsity. Time for a change.

large
05-17-2010, 02:01 PM
Heh, heh . . Y'know this would be almost laughable were it not so pathetic . .

We used to call Sandstrom's Office, "Monty Hall's Let's Make A Deal" . . now we have "The Gang That Couldn't Shoot Straight" (for lack of a better name, I guess) and say, "Gee, I wish they were as good as the last one"

I guess it's only perception . . . but you're right . .

Time for a change . . .

Loren Swelk
06-16-2010, 10:05 AM
The latest in Thiebaut's long string of failures.
http://www.chieftain.com/news/local/article_096440a8-78ff-11df-a7c8-001cc4c002e0.html

large
06-16-2010, 10:45 AM
Two things . . It's another case of "Elected Incompetance" . . . (as per the discussion on another thread about combining Police Forces)

Second . . it makes one wonder about how a State Patrolman manages to see those "little Things' that lead to those stops involving potential drug "Mules" . . there wouldn't be just a little "Profiling" going on here, 'spose?

I've always wondered how the Hell a State Patrolman or a Deputy Sheriff (who just happens to have a drug sniffing dog in the car) can spot "bad windshield wipers" or other really hard to see infractions, in the dark, from across the median, make the stop and then find a couple pounds of dope in the car/truck . .

I've always maintained that you'd need Chevy Novas, lined up bumper to bumper, from Boulder to El Paso, to supply just the front range with it's daily needs . . Maybe ole Bill has decided to save a buck and quit prosecuting bait for Law Enforcement Grants from DEA . .

Loren Swelk
05-28-2011, 10:37 AM
In baseball if you go 1 for 72 you earn a quick trip to the minor leagues and if that one is a home run you should be out of baseball. Sorry for the weak analogy, but Bill Thiebaut is a bust. He has designs on running for the 3rd congressional seat, I hope the Tony Ianne fiasco killed that. Word is Nick Gradisar is going to challenge Thiebaut in the primary for DA if Thiebaut decides to run for re-election. Go Nick! Also what is the deal with the automatic $10,000 pay raise Thiebaut gets this year and next?

large
05-28-2011, 11:44 AM
Also what is the deal with the automatic $10,000 pay raise Thiebaut gets this year and next?

You'd expect the "Honorable Bill Thiebaut" to take a cut?

large
09-14-2011, 06:47 AM
In today's paper, Democrat County Commissioner Jeff Chostner announced that he'll run against Billy T for DA this coming election . .

This should be fun to watch . .

On the other hand, where's the Pueblo County Republican party and a strong candidate? One would think that this would be a prime time to get into the mix . .

ButwothehelldoIknow?

large
09-17-2011, 05:52 PM
And . . It keeps getting Better . .

and better . . . . .