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Loren Swelk
02-16-2008, 12:45 PM
The old adage of "First rate people hire first rate people and second rate people hire third rate people" never has held more truth than in Bill Thiebaut's office. The history of missed court dates of Deputy Prosecutor West, the dismissals of important cases due to unreliable witnesses, the plea bargain at any cost mentality and the defense of drunken driving by employees all lead to one place. Replace him with some one who is competent, and do it in November!

large
02-17-2008, 10:33 AM
Well, Lessee who else ought to be on the "Hit List" of Politicians who need to be replaced . . Besides Thiebault and his Bozos, there's "Didn't read it Nunez" our flunking County Commissioner, who's up for election this year, I believe . .

And while running down the potentials, I'm not impressed with Mr. Cordova either. He seems to be no more than a Democratic favor, and certainly not to the constituency . . The only thing he lacks to resemble a Democratic Rubber Stamp is the handle . . Another case of "The voters didn't have a chance!" And as an "Incumbent" he'll be pretty damned hard to unseat, if for no other reason, He's Brown, and has a vowel on the last letter of his name . .

While we're at it, Let's get rid of some of the other incumbents who have done little more than take up space in the halls of legislature, both State and Federal . .

And . . by the by, how about the $100 per car License Fee Ritter and the Democratic Legislature wants to hammer the Colorado Residents with?

bensonhurst
02-20-2008, 05:06 PM
Talking about Nunez, did you read his question of something like "why would we want to hurt the community?"

FYI, Commissioner Nunez. You already have with you turning the Pueblo West Wal-Mart into a complete fiasco and losing hundreds upon hundreds of jobs that Pueblo needs not to mention making it seem like Pueblo is run by a bunch of Tweedledums and Tweedledees. (Which, mostly, it is but why advertise that to a multi-billion dollar world-wide corporation that would have provided several hundred jobs?) And all of this is not even mentioning the nepotism, cronyism and complete lack of understanding of any fiscal responsibility.

And about Cordova? Of course he is a rubber stamp. Would Nunez or Chostner, for that matter, have it any other way? If someone actually had any sense of intelligence, that person would immediately question and clash with the unethical and nonsensical cr*p currently infesting the county.

As for the $100 license plate, maybe someone needs to inform Governor Ritter that this is Colorado in the United States and not Dubai where mostly everyone is rich. Or, here's a thought! How about not funding elective procedures such as abortion and using that money for whatever project Ritter is so desperate to get money for.

large
02-21-2008, 07:28 AM
Heh, heh . . regarding Ritter's (and the Democratic Legislature's) $100 "Tax", which will be known as a "Fee" to avoid the taxation laws of Colorado . . Hey, you people asked for 'em when you elected 'em!

Before Ritter was elected, we just had a "Tax and Spend" Legislature, dominated by Democrats, and now . . we gots a Guv'ner who really wants to "Tax and Spend" . .

Just wait till these Idiots elect a Democratic President (it won't matter much which one) who'll start redistributing the wealth of the country . . which never worked before, so there's no real need to try it again!

Loren Swelk
08-14-2008, 09:26 AM
I cannot believe the story in today's Chieftain! Evidently this is the best Pueblo can do for a District Attorney is to elect a bozo who will grant immunity to a six time convicted felon, who is accused of murder among other things and then release him from jail on a law abiding populace!
Here are quotes from the Chieftain Article:

"Prosecutors granted immunity on a charge of first-degree murder Wednesday to a six-time convicted felon to guarantee his testimony as the star witness against two co-defendants.

Eric Dixon took the witness stand Wednesday and testified about a two-day crack cocaine binge, a chance meeting with a man who soon would be dead and the elaborate robbery plan he claims his cohorts hatched."

"At Wednesday's hearing, Prosecutor Cathy Mullens presented the court with a copy of Dixon's immunity agreement. It not only means Dixon will be spared prosecution for the homicide, but he also cut deals to dispose of two pending criminal cases - a felony identity theft indictment and a domestic violence charge.

In both cases, Dixon has been promised a sentence of probation."

large
08-14-2008, 10:21 AM
Haven't we come to expect that from our Public Servants?

Thiebaut is turning out to be worse at making deals than was Monty Hall (Sandstrom) and the deals he makes seldom turns out any kind of conviction . . My bet that chance of conviction is 50% at best . .

Didja know also, that since taking Office, Sheriff Kirk Taylor has seen 84 (I didn't stutter) experienced Employees leave the Sheriff's Office and Jail. A turnover like that has to cost the county money, as well as taking a toll on efficiency and vigilance. I have it from a very good source that most of the Certified Officers (Deputies) are not happy campers . .

Loren Swelk
12-14-2011, 10:59 AM
Looks like Thiebaut is getting ready to lose another big one. Four of the five charges dropped and the last one might have statute of limitations problems. It was not hard to find Anthony Paglione, he was always on the corner of Victoria and C streets doing business as usual. I guess Thiebaut Googled the wrong spelling for 5 years.
From today's Chieftain. (http://www.chieftain.com/news/local/judge-postpones-mortgage-fraud-case/article_588af5ec-2622-11e1-aea2-0019bb2963f4.html)

Sandra
12-14-2011, 12:33 PM
I'm confused - I thought the statute of limitations began at the time of the occurence of the alleged offense and not when it was allegedly discovered?

Loren Swelk
12-14-2011, 01:10 PM
Evidently The D.A.'s office forgot to pay their LexisNexis bill. The judge will end up setting them straight.

large
12-15-2011, 03:18 PM
Italian Court Explains Ruling Clearing Knox
Published December 15, 2011
AP/File

MILAN, Italy The Italian appeals court that overturned Amanda Knox's murder conviction in the slaying of her British roommate gave the reasons for its ruling on Thursday: the evidence that had been used by a lower court against the American and her Italian boyfriend just didn't hold up.

Although they didn't disclose that Bill Thiebault and his Merry band of Bozos were the prosecutors, we believe that to be the case . .

Loren Swelk
12-17-2011, 12:18 AM
The ship is finally hitting the sand (cleaned up for posting)
From today's Chieftain:


Both men said it didn't seem like Thiebaut had a grasp of the case law and procedural requirements they were talking about.
"In these discussions with Mr. Thiebaut about these issues, it was my impression that he didn't understand the rules completely," Cornetta said.


Entire article here (http://www.chieftain.com/news/local/case-raises-criticism-of-da-s-office/article_d809404c-287c-11e1-bfd5-0019bb2963f4.html)

large
12-17-2011, 02:14 PM
Based on the Article in the Chieftain, the whole place is like a Soup Sandwich. No one has any idea of what anyone else is doing, and Johnny K. is still a loose cannon . . Age has done nothing for the boy . . Add to that, they have no leadership, and it's a mess . .

large
12-24-2011, 09:18 AM
Looks like they retired Johnny K . . Put Saul Trujillo in his place, head of D.A. Investigations . . Know Saul well, they got a good man, laid back and not very judgemental . . about anything . .

On the other hand, they still have a need to replace the key problem . . their "Leader" . . Thiebault is nothing more than a Politician, and not a real good one of those (if any lawyer could be considered a "Good Thing") . .

Loren Swelk
12-24-2011, 10:36 AM
Good, now John can pursue his other life goals, as he puts it.. However it appears by news reports and court transcripts that the D.A.'s employees have absoulutely no faith in their leader or in his abilities. He is going to have to find an elected position in the government sector somewhere, what is next for "plea bargain Bill"?

Sandra
12-24-2011, 06:06 PM
I trust that John had a method to his madness, so to speak. He's a smart guy, he doesn't do anything without a good reason. And we need to realize that these allegations are coming from attorneys who are defending people accused of murder - their job is defense, so they're going to pull any stunts they can and blow whatever they can out of proportion in the defense of their clients.

Personally I hope John enjoys his retirement. He's a good person who cares about the community, and I think retirement may come difficult for him because he's in a field that he loves with his whole heart and soul. It has been good for him to get back to work after his accident, too, so I hope that retirement will also be good for him.

Loren Swelk
12-24-2011, 06:39 PM
Sandra, attorneys from the D.A.'s office testified under oath. I would think if anyone knew the penalties for perjury they would. They testified under subpeona and did not willingly give up the goods on Koncilja and Thiebaut.

Sandra
12-24-2011, 07:12 PM
Again - I think it's a defense ploy. The whole thing came out as an attempt to defend a murder suspect.

Didn't you once mention that one of your sons is an attorney? Ask him how attorneys will often twist things around to their advantage, even if it means attacking the DA's office.

This city has a real problem with crime. We're on the top 10 of the most dangerous cities in the US to live in based on DOJ stats. We place 9th. Someone, somewhere is going to have to get a little more serious about putting criminals behind bars and keeping them there if this city is ever going to pull itself out of that mess.

I think that without John's work, this city is going to sink even deeper into that mire. How much longer before Pueblo reaches first place on that list?

Also, for the record, I have been on the receiving end of twisted testimony - the way questions are worded to the person on the witness stand to make testimony look like something other than what it really is - most attorneys are good at that. Since I wasn't there I'm not going to pass judgment on it - all I have is the newspaper's version. But I also know John personally - maybe not very well - and I've always thought he was a pretty decent guy who has reached out to the community and offered a compassionate helping hand. I don't think he'd have that capacity if he were the monster that some are trying to make him out to be.

He comes from a family who has given much to this community - Pueblo would be nothing without them. I, for one, appreciate his efforts (and the generosity of his family) and I wish him well in his retirement.

large
12-26-2011, 10:05 AM
In one way John Koncilia was/is a nice guy . . But having known John a long time, I can say that in the past, as a Police Officer, especially when he was the Premier Drug Bust Specialist, he was a tad overzealous most of the time . . The Stoners were deathly afraid of him . . and with good reason. Often they were "found" with lots of grass when they actually had none or as often as not, nothing more than a joint . . And the man didn't know the meaning of "Slack" as in "Cutting a little slack" . . Even his peers sometimes complained about his "Passion" for the job . . .

I'm guessing that he hasn't cut back much on his "Passionate" way of doing the job . .

As for either over-investigating or going beyond the parameters set by his office and Boss . . all well and good until you conceal details or facts of a prosecution from either side . . That's the "Old School" of prosecution and why I can't advocate the death penalty . . When the cops and the prosecution decide who's guilty and who's not, the system needs an overhaul of it's rulesets and the people who are there need to be replaced in total . .

Loren Swelk
12-31-2011, 12:30 AM
I wonder if Theibaut has seen the inside of a courtroom since "moot court" in law school?


"In Schwartz's ruling, he notes that if an affidavit shows an unjustified refusal by the DA to prosecute a person for crime, the judge may require the DA to appear and explain the decision."


Here is the link from today's Chieftain (http://www.chieftain.com/news/local/judge-victims-may-force-a-da-to-prosecute/article_82ea0bca-3374-11e1-83af-001871e3ce6c.html)

large
12-31-2011, 09:36 AM
Today's article kind of dazzles me . . Now the Iannes are pressing the courts to do what a prosecutor could not do, or apparently had little evidence to do.

Not to mention, how can a judge make a prosecutor press charges against a witness that he promised immunity in trade for testimony. And as far as I know Panariso and Cornelison have never been proven to be embezzelers. The original investigation, if I remember correctly had to do with missing money, that Ianne claimed the two "Witnesses" stole from him (and his business) while they were working for him as accountants . .

If ONE accountant embezzles $100,000 from you, or your business, you haven't been paying attention to your business, and if TWO different people at different times do it, then you aren't much of a business man . . Making money is only half the end game in business, keeping the profits are the second . . Not to mention, if you were making so much money you didn't miss a couple of hundred thousand, what you were doing to make it might not have been all above board . .

Add to that, Ianne and his lawyers seem to be kicking a dead horse . . Hell, they couldn't convict Ianne of 89 charges, so how successful could they be on a couple . . that had even less evidence, according to a couple of loose lipped insiders I know . . ?

Loren Swelk
01-01-2012, 02:18 AM
The way I read the article was that Tony Ianne was prosecuted for mortgage fraud and that his prosecution had nothing to do with the restaurant. His mother and father who evidently were partners, owners, stockholders or something in Rosarios's want these people prosecuted for theft from the restaurant and that even if the D.A. granted them immunity in the mortgage fraud case that was separate and apart from the alleged theft from the restaurant.

large
01-01-2012, 09:29 AM
Actually, it hasn't ever been delineated as to which business Panariso and Corneilison were involved in, but I think it was both . . Different businesses, but under the same roof . .

However . . I could be completely wrong . . (although it has never occurred before - Sheldon Cooper, "Big Bang Theory")

Loren Swelk
01-02-2012, 05:40 AM
I don't remember everything from the 72 count indictment of Tony Ianne by the grand jury but could that have come from an over zealous John Koncilja's personal witch hunt? If so it no doubt will cost his boss his job come this November.

Loren Swelk
03-22-2012, 11:29 PM
Quote from today's Chieftain, in regards to plea bargaining:

"Courts cannot try every single case because there are not enough days in a year to try the 10,000 cases we prosecute each year with only five judges available to hear those cases," Thiebaut said.

I take this to mean the D.A.'s office is prosecuting 27+ new cases every day of the year, all 365. If you take out the weekends the count goes of to 38+ new cases to prosecute every day, 5 days a week 52 weeks a year.
I find it hard to believe that the the police department generates that much criminal prosecution business for the D.A. Am I incorrect?

large
03-23-2012, 05:31 AM
Sounds like campaign verbage (Similar to Garbage?) . . Because, according to Colorado DOC, the inmate population is declining enough to cause closure of a second facility this year . .

I would interpret this to mean that the Pueblo County S.O. and the Pueblo police Dept. are batting 1.000 in case solutions and the D.A.'s Office is letting 80% of them go, either by plea bargain or ineptitude . .

Based upon Ole Bill's public prosecution history, I'd go with the latter . .

So, does this mean that Pueblo County is doing no more than building a $51 Million dollar set of bigger revolving doors?

Bob Nattering
03-23-2012, 07:31 AM
Quote from today's Chieftain, in regards to plea bargaining:

"Courts cannot try every single case because there are not enough days in a year to try the 10,000 cases we prosecute each year with only five judges available to hear those cases," Thiebaut said.

I take this to mean the D.A.'s office is prosecuting 27+ new cases every day of the year, all 365. If you take out the weekends the count goes of to 38+ new cases to prosecute every day, 5 days a week 52 weeks a year.
I find it hard to believe that the the police department generates that much criminal prosecution business for the D.A. Am I incorrect?

Sounds like he might be a graduate of the Wilt Chamberlain Academy of Applied Mathematics.