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    Today's Pueblo Chieftain, on page 5A, has an article stating that over 50% of the High School Graduates from both districts need academic remediation in at least one course (there are three) to proceed on into higher education.

    Again, we have over half of the students who have sucked up millions in tax dollars in the 12 years they attended public schools, incapable of reading, writing or comprehending basic Math.

    So, do we continue to pander the tax base for more money or do we start at the bottom and rebuild an education system into something we can afford and that will do what it's supposed to do with at least a 90% success rate . .

    And it's not the High Schools that are failing particularly. They can only do so much with the product they're sent. The main building block of all the other education any student will receive is reading fundamentals in the first three elementary grades. If they cannot comprehend what they read, they aren't fit to proceed into the complex learning process that they will encounter in the next eight to 12 years of their lives . . Once the system has failed in giving every student the ability to read and comprehend, few of those failures will ever catch up . . Even if they can "Graduate" . .

    As we have seen, it's certainly not the amount of money that we throw at the system, but what is done with it . . and apparently, little that is right is being done . . we see that in results from all of the different tests that are given, yet the teacher's union complains that tests prove nothing other than you have to "Teach to the Test' . .

    Question here . . How else do you do it? Isn't testing how it is ascertained that the pupil has progressed? Certainly the essay would prove knowledge, if the student can write something that can be read and comprehended, but in a system that celebrates less than 50% success in comprehension and ability to write, how do the non-reading/writing students get their grades? Who attempts to read their essays (if they submit one) and grades them so that they will pass on to graduation?

    This is the problem as I see it. The Elementary Teacher "Mainstreams" all but the slowest, who receive some sort of remediation and are kicked back into the "Mainstream" at some point. And because the Syllabus changes every two to three years (New Books) these Elementary Teachers either don't know or just blow off the fact that probably one out of four kids can't read or comprehend at the grade level they're leaving. And nobody upstream can or will do much about that . . again, they work with what they're sent.

    When I was a kid, the slowest got a little help in the upper elementary grades because they had the A and B classes. The slower students went into the B classes and the teacher(s) worked harder on the non readers, closer to what is called "Immersion" today. And that helped some. Not necessarily all. But, before I was out of Jr. High School, the A-B system was done away with because it was "Socially Demeaning" to the students in the B classes. They were thought of as "Slower" and that's where a lot of the BS that is Education today started . . We have become far too fascinated by the "Self Image" of the young student. A "slow" 6 year old is a "Dumb" 18 year old if you worry about "Self Image" . . Teaching can be done with empathy, because we cannot continue to turn out failure at the expense we are seeing today . .

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    Large - I have a theory about something, and I'm hoping to prove it - and that is, the importance of parents in education - from pre-school through high school.

    I feel strongly that if parents were more involved in their childrens education, then there might not be the failures that we have today. At least, not as much. There will always be those who don't make the mark for whatever reason, but the support of parents is of utmost importance.

    It doesn't stop there, though. I think the community, as a whole, can help.

    Children look up to all adults, but in our demographics - many adults in our area haven't got a clue - are illiterate or caught up in gangs - heck, the guy across the street from me has been in jail more times in the last 5 years than I can count. What life is this for his children? When he's not in jail, he's apparently selling drugs. Great example for his kids.

    When kids don't have good examples at home, they look elsewhere for them. The community as a whole can play a role in this - but all too often even members of the community can let kids down - and many of these kids end up in gangs. Such a life, huh?

    Then there are the kids who are having kids and who quit school so they can support them. Again, this is where parents come in - although it's said to be a cultural thing here.

    Parents tend to blame the schools for everything, not taking into consideration their roles as parents. I have observed much in this area - parents just shrugging their kids off onto the schools.

    I think we've had some similar discussions in the past - dating clear back to the old "Gadzette" boards - esp where sex ed is concerned.

    I have always taken the position that sex ed belongs at home - and others would argue that "parents aren't teaching their kids" and my answer to that is, "oh, well --- ".

    Not trying to get into the sex ed thing - it's only an example, but isn't it just a wee bit interesting how more kids know more about sexual positions than the Kama Sutra these days? Yet they can't read (or comprehend) or balance a checkbook. They can't seem to think for themselves - they don't seem to understand that actions have reactions - that there are consequences or rewards in life - or that there's this thing called responsibility and ethic.

    In today's age - both mom and dad are away at work - who is at home minding the kids? Who is dedicated to them, instead of their job? Who is instilling a sense of morals and decency in the kids? Daycare and school.

    Parents complain that their kids are not being taught how to think and reason, that their kids are being indoctrinated. I say that if parents are doing their jobs at home, then their kids can't be indoctrinated because their kids will be thinking for their own selves and drawing their own conclusions. And their kids would be graduating without having to take remedial courses to get into higher education.

    Just my two cents worth - what are your thoughts?
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    Parents ARE important. Especially when they have two of them. I'm not picking on anyone here, but quite a few studies have confirmed that students at any grade level do better, both in grades and in the long run, staying in school, staying out of Jail, and more often graduating from a college or university, because they have a stable two parent household to grow up in. That points up the fact that parent(s) are an important ingredient in the education of a child. The problem with single parent households is that the parent has far too many hats to wear if He/She works to support the kid(s) and sometimes it borders on neglect in the eyes of others. It also shows in most of those children's achievements . .

    There are exceptions, but d@mned few . . .

    Sex education? Parents always. Or at least "first"! But I do believe that by the kid's senior year, there should be some sort of class that explains the consequences. Moms n' Dads aren't as good about explaining those as some third party that the kid respects often is . . 'Cause a lot of the Mom's n' Dads don't know the consequences . . .

    On the "Indoctrination"? Sure, it's an ongoing thing. Most contemporary school teachers are Left Wingers, most far enough to the left as to resemble students (and Professors) of Karl Marx. And there are some that even teach the liberal stance in Kindergartens, singing hymns to Obama and such. Especially in inner city schools.

    Face it, we're two generations into socialism, and your kid's teachers are mostly the direct beneficiaries of these liberal views and the giveaway of stuff that comes with it that was beginning to be taught in the 1950's. I had an English IV Teacher that was a true (first one I'd ever seen, I found out later) Hippie and a Marxist. Her classes were so far from being an English class that it wasn't funny. A little bit of Thoreau and a lot of Ghandi and Woodrow Wilson. Most of my classmates have almost forgotten her and time and experience has made most of them Republicans. Not so much with those who went into teaching and other government or state paid professions . . They're Liberals and Unionistas. "Milk comes from the Cow. Feed the Cow!"
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    well stated, large!
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    Another thing that we're doing, and it seems that the educators would certainly realize this, because they're closest to it, are things like the CONNECT School lauded in today's Chieftain. While it's great for the kids who qualify to there, generally the brighter children the classes eligible, it lowers the quality of the standard and general classroom. Why is that, You might ask . . simple. The remaing children, when averaging performance have, of course, a lower average because the upper grades of performance have been removed.

    Huh? Sure. When my son was racing motorcycles we had the option of leaving him in a class where he excelled and won most of the time, or moving him up into a class where he had to get a whole bunch faster to be competitive. And he did, within a year, becoming one of the fastest in that class.To become excellent, you have to learn to be excellent. And you certainly don't learn that with the slow kids . .

    When I was a little kid in Elementary School, everybody worked their @sses off to keep up with the smart kids. They were the example we had to live up to. Take them away and the teacher has removed incentive. . . Oh, I forgot, we don't do "Incentive" anymore, because it damages "Self Image" . . There's nothing wrong with being dumb as a rock now . . . Until he either drops out or graduates and can't read well enough to hold down a job or go to Community College. Then there's a problem and who gets blamed? Probably the High School Teacher who inherited a stone and should be congratulated for putting up with Him/Her for 4 years . .



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    Once again, in today's Chieftain (Tues, May 8, 2013), top of page 3B, comes the statistics concerning both Dist 60 and 70's success in teaching reading competancy at the third grade level . .

    We're stuck at 75% . . And you probably won't hear much about the 25% that isn't making the grade(s) until you read about the drop out rates and what social ills and lack of money causes them year after year.

    Add to that, the fact that, according to the same paper, a few days back, was writing that the required remediation rates for High School Grads going on into college is aproximately 66%, you begin to wonder if anything is being accomplished after the third grade as well.

    I'm not offering any solutions here, because I'd like to hear from other interested people on their take(s) on the problem. I've already stated mine . .
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