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Zen Curmudgeon
05-15-2005, 07:33 PM
Dr. Dobson, Rev. Falwell, Rev. Robertson, and their political allies are not the whole truth of modern American Christianity. An excerpt from today's Chicago Tribune:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chi-0505140247may15,0,7153551.story?page=1&coll=chi-newsopinionperspective-hed

Today we are experiencing the Bible being used by religious and political leaders to enable them to define the morality of birth control, abortion, racial and sexual discrimination and even acts of aggression against our "enemies."

To oppose this mentality, they not so subtly assert, is to oppose God and thus to be anti-religious. These are nothing less than the steps people take on the road to transforming a democracy into a theocracy, which is to walk in the direction of the cruelest form of government that human beings have devised.

Theocracies always turn demonic because they justify everything in the name of God.

By John Shelby Spong, the retired Episcopal bishop of Newark, N.J., is the author of the recently published "The Sins of Scripture: Exposing the Bible's Texts of Hate to Reveal the God of Love" from HarperCollins and other books and essays on belief. www.johnshelbyspong.com

Click the link. Worthwhile reading, folks.

Take Care -

ZC

Pastor Roy
10-10-2013, 07:02 PM
here is the problem the Episcopal Church have left God's Word to embrace false teaching.

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10-11-2013, 06:52 AM
Ah-Ah . . . Don't go blaming one particular Christian Entity . .

All of those "Commercial Jesus Sellers" are at fault. They make it easy for you to become one of them in order to put some green in the plate and be "Forgiven Your Trespasses" . .

I'm kinda with the Jews on this one . . You "trespassed" and it's carved in stone.

Being a Christian of Faith tends to let you off far too easy. If you trespassed on Wednesday, does lighting a candle on Saturday night and kicking up the pledge on Sunday get you forgiven? The Average Priest or Minister will tell you that it will . . . "Jesus died for your sins" . . . So I'd guess that next Wednesday is open for another sin, 'spose?

Like I said on another thread "In The Beginning", The Church, whatever you wish to call it, is after "Donors". And it (or they) will do pretty much what it takes to grow the Flock. Which is possibly one of my objections to the Christian Missionaries who we always seem to be either saving or seeing killed in some far off spot on the planet. Why do we need to send out salespeople to "Convert" people who believe in some other Deity? Often we do this under the guise of "Aid" to a backward people or people who have little education and still live in the wild as "Savages" . . . We go in, introduce them to Coca Cola, TV and the 21st Century, make rules for them to live by and then gasp when those people decide the old way was better, or Islam has a better deal, or whatever and kill the missionaries . .

IF Christianity is a better deal, there is no need to sell it to people who don't think they need it. When they decide it's as good as it's advertised, just like any other product, they'll beat a path to your door to get it! . .

Christians need to get their house in order first, all of them . . .

Pastor Roy
10-11-2013, 08:35 AM
Being a Christian of Faith tends to let you off far too easy.-- That is not true, it is hard to be Christian when society is promoting and pushing ideas that are in conflict with the Christian Faith.

Pastor Roy
10-11-2013, 08:37 AM
Christians need to get their house in order first, all of them . . . --- Here the problem when Christians start to get our house in order, we are acused of judging people.

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10-11-2013, 08:49 AM
Christians need to get their house in order first, all of them . . . --- Here the problem when Christians start to get our house in order, we are acused of judging people.

By whom? Usually, first, OTHER CHRISTIANS . . . Who, when making those statements, are Judging others . .

OK, let's assume the Christians have a car that won't run. As they gather to diagnose the problem, and one of them points to the probable diagnosis, when a Muslim, or person of a conflicting faith, who knows nothing about the Christian Automobile insists that he has the right diagosis and that all of the Christians know nothing about the problem . . Who you gonna listen to, Willis?

The only way to have a clean house is to recognize the dirt, where it's at and what method you're going to use to clean it with . . Broom or Vacuum Cleaner? And if you find you have Cockroaches, kill 'em, don't coddle 'em!

Pastor Roy
10-11-2013, 09:22 AM
By whom? Usually, first, OTHER CHRISTIANS . . . Who, when making those statements, are Judging others . .
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lets look at my first comment - "here is the problem the Episcopal Church have left God's Word to embrace false teaching. " Point this out is house cleaning. The Episcopal Leadership have decide that God's Standard for marriage and sexual relationship is wrong.. When you point that this wrong and is a false teaching, those who support the Episcopal Church call you judgemental, bigot, hateful etc.. but these same people then will turn around and demand why the Christian's are not speaking out against the Nut cases out KS (which we do speak out against) the Gay Priest, (which we do speak out against)..

Pastor Roy
10-11-2013, 09:24 AM
Here is the next problem, those who do not like the Christian Faith or hate the Christian Faith, love to throw out all the sinful actions that in the past was done by men and women (who were not part of the Christian Faith) in the name of a christ.